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Eldude
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Robot. You mentioned that the control fit your hand. Did you get to play it at all or just try out the control?
01/05/2008
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Robtot
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Eldude said: Robot. You mentioned that the control fit your hand. Did you get to play it at all or just try out the control?



Uhhh..... I cannot say under fear of death from Activsion
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insectoid
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hahah. ALL FEAR THE MIGHT OF ACTIVISON!!!!

Anyway, the track list isn't abysmal, but could've been better.
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Eldude
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news.gotgame.com/

Another good online GH game.
01/05/2008
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insectoid
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Awesome, I'll try it out now
02/05/2008
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Robtot said:

Eldude said: Robot. You mentioned that the control fit your hand. Did you get to play it at all or just try out the control?



Uhhh..... I cannot say under fear of death from Activsion



Oh come on what if we slip you a 20
02/05/2008
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jons2ann
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A friend (who plays a real guitar) once told me, "I hate that try hard guitarist bum at outside Mcdonalds Swanston Street. He was bragging that he could play anything so I told him to play *some note that didn't exist* for a dollar, and he still tried playing it."

I went to GameOn a few weeks back and I was watching a couple of punk-esque adolescents playing Guitar Hero 3. For some reason, I felt the two were connected.

Can anyone here play a real guitar? I know I can't.

Bringing out the try hard in you!
02/05/2008
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Eldude
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We are not try hard guitarist. We are gamers. To apply this logic to gaming means that when we play GTA we are try hard car jackers or try hard alien killers when we play Metroid Prime.

Come on.. Haven't you heard the expression "Its only a game"
02/05/2008
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insectoid
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It's just a game...it's fun. I play real guitar as well, and guitar hero has barely any correlation to playing a real guitar.
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jons2ann
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Eldude said: We are not try hard guitarist. We are gamers. To apply this logic to gaming means that when we play GTA we are try hard car jackers or try hard alien killers when we play Metroid Prime.
Come on.. Haven't you heard the expression "Its only a game"



The last time I saw someone play Guitar Hero 3 they were actually trying to play the game by using an instrument simulating a guitar. I'm not an expert in gaming linguistics per se, but I believe they call games like those "simulation"? To compare that with games that use a control pad setting is quite (excuse the pun) fuzzy logic?

I don't really have a problem with people playing guitar hero 3. In fact I am going to buy the DS version for the GAMING experience.

insectoid said: It's just a game...it's fun. I play real guitar as well, and guitar hero has barely any correlation to playing a real guitar.



That's a bit of an understatement. Guitar Hero has at least 3-4 commonly shared attributes that you could compare to playing a real guitar. The instrument dimensions itself, reading of the notes comparable to a music sheet, strumming and placement of the fingers. If Activision wasn't trying to create a correlation between the two, then they must have done a pretty bad job. After all, a lot of our games have been built to deliberately and partially simulate a lot of experiences such as dancing, drumming, dj/mixing, boxing, flying, driving, gunning, arm wrestling and even that soccer game at Playtime Highpoint that used to be tucked into the far corner!
03/05/2008
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insectoid
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jons2ann said:That's a bit of an understatement. Guitar Hero has at least 3-4 commonly shared attributes that you could compare to playing a real guitar. The instrument dimensions itself, reading of the notes comparable to a music sheet, strumming and placement of the fingers. If Activision wasn't trying to create a correlation between the two, then they must have done a pretty bad job. After all, a lot of our games have been built to deliberately and partially simulate a lot of experiences such as dancing, drumming, dj/mixing, boxing, flying, driving, gunning, arm wrestling and even that soccer game at Playtime Highpoint that used to be tucked into the far corner!


Fair enough statment. But the actual MUSICAL side of guitar hero is non-existent. Sure, you strum, but on a real guitar you need to watch out for WHICH strings you strum, and there's also finger strumming, which is, much harder and takes alot more practice than moving a block of plastic up and down.

The guitar hero guitar is markedly smaller than the average guitar. You may place your hand in roughly the same position, but the guitar hero guitar offers you 5 'frets' to play, whereas the average guitar offers 20+, with 6 strings on each.

I don't know if you play a musical instrument, but the reading of the notes don't work anything like a stave. The purpose of the 'stave' in guitar hero is to give a direct view of how you would play it. If activision REALLY wanted to emulate music,
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insectoid
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sorry reached char. limit

they would've made the 'stave' on the side (running accross the screen), rather than running up the screen.

Players also have a complete lack of musical input. They can't change the speed, dynamics or articulation of the music, aside from the minimal change that can be made with the whammy bar.

For these reasons guitar hero isn't really like playing a real guitar at all. You are kidding yourself if you think that by playing Guitar Hero you are learning something about music, or will, after beating the game, be able to go and play a real guitar.

Still, the game is alot of fun!
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Eldude
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I changed my pre-order of GHOTDS from ebgames which was $90 to target which was $65 with no more to pay!!.
17/05/2008
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jons2ann
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LOL.. didn't realise I got a response. Thanks for bringing it up again.

To where we were at:
So correlation barely exists because the MUSICAL side of GH doesn't exist. And when you mean musical side, you mean strings and finger strumming and articulation. That's just to summarise your point.

If I was a game developer (which I did for 3 semesters but wasn't my major), I wouldn't be marketing a guitar game with strings or a horizontal stave (or whatever you'd like to call it). A majority of gamers would reject it as being too hard (as you cleverly pointed out) to play and they'd rather pick up a real guitar. But, I would design the game as close to the real thing as possible and make it as playable as possible.

So to replace the strings you got a piece of plastic.
And to strum ... well you have that piece of plastic.
Notes, staves ... you're reading something at least.
Articulation, not so much. But let's keep the finer aspects aside. It's not a music lesson.

If you know how to play the guitar, of course you're going to criticise it for not being accurate. What guitar player wouldn't?

To put it simply, you ARE pretending to play a guitar. I never suggested that you were learning how to.
17/05/2008
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insectoid
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Exactly.

You are PRETENDING to play a guitar, but anyone who plays it thinking they are learning anything at ALL about music is kidding themselves. The game is more about hand-eye co-ordination in my opinion.

Good debate!
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Eldude
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I don't care what it looks like I am doing or what I am or am not learning, I just love playing guitar hero on Wii and whant to take it with me when I travel so am waiting for On Tour to be released.
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Eldude said: I don't care what it looks like I am doing or what I am or am not learning, I just love playing guitar hero on Wii and whant to take it with me when I travel so am waiting for On Tour to be released.



When is it released?
17/05/2008
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insectoid
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EB Website says 26/6 for On Tour.

I can't wait. I MUST HAVE IT NOW!

If this turns out bad, I'll have to kill someone
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insectoid said: EB Website says 26/6 for On Tour.

I can't wait. I MUST HAVE IT NOW!

If this turns out bad, I'll have to kill someone



I was all excited, until I saw the screen-shots for this game. They might make more money if they bring a GH game out for the PSP.
17/05/2008
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Azza123 said:

insectoid said: EB Website says 26/6 for On Tour.

I can't wait. I MUST HAVE IT NOW!

If this turns out bad, I'll have to kill someone



I was all excited, until I saw the screen-shots for this game. They might make more money if they bring a GH game out for the PSP.



how would it work on PSP? As much as I thought the DS controls would suck when I first saw it looking at it now it's actually a decent idea.
17/05/2008
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insectoid
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I can't see it working for psp...
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insectoid said: I can't see it working for psp...


i can. USB port - mini guitar - not so portable tho, unless they can do what they did with GH3 guitar? but even smaller? oO"
there's plenty you can do with a USB port.
19/05/2008
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Eldude
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My wife advised me that when she put my GHOT on pre-order it was advertised as being late June so 26th sounds correct.
19/05/2008
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song list is so bloody horrible

NOBODY wants to play maroon 5 on guitar hero


jons2ann said: LOL.. didn't realise I got a response. Thanks for bringing it up again.

To where we were at:

So correlation barely exists because the MUSICAL side of GH doesn't exist. And when you mean musical side, you mean strings and finger strumming and articulation. That's just to summarise your point.

If I was a game developer (which I did for 3 semesters but wasn't my major), I wouldn't be marketing a guitar game with strings or a horizontal stave (or whatever you'd like to call it). A majority of gamers would reject it as being too hard (as you cleverly pointed out) to play and they'd rather pick up a real guitar. But, I would design the game as close to the real thing as possible and make it as playable as possible.

So to replace the strings you got a piece of plastic.

And to strum ... well you have that piece of plastic.

Notes, staves ... you're reading something at least.

Articulation, not so much. But let's keep the finer aspects aside. It's not a music lesson.

If you know how to play the guitar, of course you're going to criticise it for not being accurate. What guitar player wouldn't?

To put it simply, you ARE pretending to play a guitar. I never suggested that you were learning how to.




by playinjg guitar heor your not a freakin tyrhard your just an idiot

so if i would go play a flight sim are you
19/05/2008
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jackoltene
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what songs are gonna be on the game?

edit: just found out
19/06/2008
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